Relationship therapist, Rebecca Wong, invites monthly guests into deep conversations about the roots of our disconnects and how we can consciously restore restore relationship with Self, others, and the world.
We can’t fix what’s wrong if we can’t talk about it. We can’t move the conversation forward if we’re not willing to be real about where we are now. And unless we push the edges of what it means to connect, nothing will ever change.
Join our cast of fascinating guests for radically honest conversations about what it means to be truly human, in all of its messy, beautiful, hilarious, and heartbreaking glory.
Episode Show Notes
I'm excited to share this podcast conversation with one of my dearest friends Akilah Riley-Richardson. Akilah has been in clinical practice for 16 years, is based in Trinidad and Tobago, and specializes in work with sexual and racial minorities. In this conversation, Akilah and I talk about relational privilege and the impact historical and race based trauma has on relationships. Akilah teaches to pivot, rumble and imagine to help gain a sense of where the hurt is, what the body needs, and how these needs connect back to the behaviors expressed is relationship…and what is needed now.
Moraya Seeger DeGeare is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, consultant, writer, activist, and mom. We recorded this conversation in-person, meandering in our discussion around moving within a world that tries to adhere to dominant culture all the time. Here’s what we hope you get out of this conversation: if you are someone who’s not walking around in a dominant culture body, we hope you can simply listen and not have to do extra work to find resonance. And if you are someone that's walking around in a dominant culture body (white, cis, heterosexual, able-bodied, neurotypical, etc), we hope we’ve opened some awareness that not everyone experiences the world the way you do.
Dr. Han Ren (she/they) is deeply rooted in Liberation-oriented, anti-oppressive, culturally informed therapy. In this time of global upheaval and collective trauma many people have experienced increasing amounts of isolation. Social media is one of the places people turn when they feel alone. Han's widely viewed content on social media centers on liberating the idea that healing has to look a certain way, especially for often historically overlooked people and communities. Normalization goes a long way in undoing our collective experience of aloneness. In this gentle yet confronting conversation, Han guides us towards 3 moment to moment healing practices, accessible to us all: check in with your body, say what you mean/mean what you say, and repair.
Terry Real is the creator of Relational Life Therapy and author of the forthcoming book, Us. Tune in as Terry shares his insight on speaking to your immature, adaptive child parts vs. speaking to your wise adult parts, key differences in how boys and girls are conditioned to be in relationship and how to relearn what was taught out of us as children, the harm that patriarchy and individualism cause us in relationships and how relationships can upend them, masculinity and the current state of our country, the power in changing the choices we make in relationship in order to get more of what we want (rather than pointing the finger at our partners), plus a relational skill assignment to try in your relationship right now.
This week’s guest, Cyndi Darnell, says in her forthcoming book, "The body has always belonged to either God or science. There has never been a time in Western history that the body truly belonged to the person who inhabits it." She says we can begin to reclaim our bodies for ourselves by unlearning the things we’ve been taught about sex that aren’t serving us. By rediscovering our libidos and desires. By learning how to show ourselves to ourselves. By being in our bodies. Cyndi, clinical sexologist & sex & relationship therapist who works with clients all over the globe, is here to tell us how.
In this rich conversation, Dr. Lissa Rankin and Rebecca discuss the paradoxes in healing trauma: trauma is treatable but you have to be in the body to heal it. They discuss the necessary skills in drawing on all of your intelligences—your intellectual intelligence, yes, but also your somatic, intuitive, and emotional intelligences—and why we must stay in our bodies enough to pay attention to them. They also discuss nuances of power-over/power-under dynamics and the paradox of why the reward of shared-power-with is so unfathomable to someone in a power-over position and yet, the reward is so compelling and full of possibility.
Instead of interviewing a special guest, we’ve turned the tables and your host has become the guest! Out of curiosity and a sense of play (two things we adore here at Connectfulness), Rebecca agreed to be interviewed by our podcast editor, Al Hoberman, who is also a fabulous music therapist. Together, they let the conversation meander where it will, delving into topics like why we can never be “healed and ready” for a relationship before entering into it, the importance of knowing oneself (and why it feels so scary at first), implicit and conscious memories, the burden of generational survival mechanisms and why they should be celebrated and released, and the power that lies in letting things get awkward. This episode was really fun to record. We hope it’s equally fun for you to listen in.
“I can’t adult today” makes for great social media fodder. But as with all humor, there’s a nugget of truth in there. How many models do we have for adulting that is healthy, balanced, secure and relational? Our culture has sold us quite a bill of goods. Independence and “rugged individualism” as an indication that we’ve become successful adults. Perfection or mastery as the ultimate goal. Self-care has become “treat yourself”. The pop psychology idea that having boundaries means you get to tell someone else what they can and can’t do. Even the idea that objective reality not only exists but should rule over all else. The truth is, none of these concepts are serving us very well because there is a whole lot of nuance and self-attunement missing. Terri Delaney is here to debunk all of these ideas. Disrupting our old programming won’t necessarily make life easier, but it does offer each of us more grace, a chance to heal, and the power to get out of our own way. This delicious conversation contains so much. Join us as we unpack what it really means to operate from our functional adult selves and what a work-in-progress we all are.
So often, many of us are still just waiting on our parents to show up for us in the way we needed them to when we were little. Sometimes we’re consciously aware of this, oftentimes we’re not. And it can continue long after our parents have passed, if we haven’t made the unconscious conscious and learned to reparent ourselves. Otherwise, we often unintentionally seek this fulfillment from our most intimate relationships. In this episode, I chat with fellow Certified Relational Life Therapist, Shane Birkel, who is able to take these big concepts and ground them in very clear language and context.
If you’re new or feeling resistance to the idea of Relational Life Therapy, this episode is a great point of entry. Tune in as Shane and I discuss families of origin, healthy versus toxic shame, the importance of compassion and grief work during conflict, and what healthy relationships actually look like.
In this episode, I chat with Gina Senarighi about what happens when we bring the observational self onboard and practice being in the awkward with our partners. We discuss perfectionism, creativity, pleasure and play, shifting from judgment to curiosity, and making the most of things versus going into a sulky place.
Vickey and I talk about the message perfection is really sending, both inwardly and outwardly, why contempt is always the thing behind being less than or better than, and how we are both still working on all of this in our own lives.
Listen in as Sharon tells us why we all deserve healthy boundaries and how we can make small shifts that make a huge difference in our lives and relationships.
Dr. Stan Tatkin and Kara Hoppe, psychotherapists and co-authors of Baby Bomb: A Relationship Survival Guide for New Parents, join the podcast to share their wisdom on creating secure, purposeful relationships in a world that is indifferent to us. They explain why this relationship is so imperative, especially when it comes to raising healthy, happy children.
Paola Bailey, Psy.D. and I discuss the trajectory of how we went into and how we’re emerging from this year plus of global pandemic living and how it’s changed us, what we’ve learned that we’re consciously choosing to hold onto.
No matter where you are on your healing journey, this episode has much to offer about therapy and setting boundaries. It highlights a gentle way to approach long term healing and reinforces the value of discerning and setting boundaries that keep our selves safe and deepen our relationships.
Kelly McDaniel, LPC returns to the podcast (she joined us on episode 28: The Legacy of Chronic Loneliness) to explore the legacy of maternal deprivation. Her upcoming book, Mother Hunger, soothes the legacy of shame that accompanies being under-mothered. Mother Hunger addresses the constant search for love —nurturance, protection, and guidance— that may lead to a lifelong quest for what was missing. It’s not about critiquing how you were raised, rather it’s about learning how to heal and re-parent the hungry parts inside. Healing begins with knowing and naming what we are missing.
Our society is constructed to benefit White people whether they're conscious of it or not. The “norm” we’ve inherited centers an oppressive and privileging system when it comes to equity and power. And it plays out in relationships... In this episode, Francesca Maximé joins us to explore how interracial partners can embody anti-racism in their relationship. We explore how blind spots and racial misattunements affect interracial partnerships. And we discuss how to build a more equitable partnership.
Today’s guest, Dr. Rick Butts, cofounded the Healing Our Core Issues Institute (HOCII) with Jan Bergstrom, a past podcast guest. Rick and I discuss how the nature of the child —to be imperfect and human— is linked to how we humans come to know ourselves as we mature. We explore the woundings, teachings and adaptations that shape us in our formative years and become how we present in the world. And we examine the tasks of recovering our sense of self which comes when we can see and accept ourselves as human in all areas of our life.
We need relationship in order to survive. If you were raised without a secure base you likely learned early on to modify yourself. In this episode I am talking with Kelly McDaniel, LPC, NCC, CSAT, author and psychotherapist, about the complex trauma of chronic loneliness and how to heal from the toxic stress of disconnection.
So often in the journey of relational healing we discover parts of our Selves have been disowned — the parts of one's spirit which allow spontaneity and imperfection and cultivate abundance and joy. In this episode we explore the creative process as a way to bear witness to these parts of Self. Join us on a reclamation of trust in our deeper knowings and permission to reshape how we see ourselves and develop new cultures, together.
Sexuality is a part of who we are and we all deserve to learn about it in a way that is safe, comfortable, and judgement-free. Learning about positive sexuality is transformative for individuals and society overall. My guest, Elizabeth Greenblatt, strives to support young people develop the skills to navigate their sexuality in a healthy and fulfilling way and believes young people must be at the center of this work.
In this episode we talk about how your relationship can help you heal…and get into the geeky brain science behind why and how it works.
In this episode, La Shanda Sugg and I talk about a generational healing, a topic that truly affects us all. And if there is one message we want you to walk away from this episode with, it’s that generational healing is possible!
Shena Tubbs joins me to talk about how early trauma manifests in our adult relationships. Persistent love addiction/love avoidant adult relationships are often a recreation of early trauma, of seeking out people that would do the same, in hopes that it will turn out differently. Healing begins with getting the language and words around family trauma and what did/didn’t happen and then practicing the skill of loving yourself, which carries over into how you do relationships.
This episode highlights helpful ways to tend to our selves, reclaim power, and perhaps help us soothe our selves when we don’t have the power to change our situation.
Systemic racism is real and deeply rooted in society. When we center our society around whiteness but don’t discuss it we’re ignoring the problem of racism. Distancing ourselves from the problem of racism is to perpetuate it by allowing countless more injustices to be committed. When we become conscious we can take responsibility and change course. The opposite of being a racist is not being not-racist. The opposite of being racist is being antiracist.
In this episode relationship therapist and host, Rebecca Wong, talked with Emily Nagoski, New York Times bestselling author of Come As You Are & Burnout. It goes without saying that we’re all living in a deepened state of stress in this pandemic time. Emily helps us to understand how stress affects sex and learn more about what we can do to reclaim confidence and joy and transform our sex lives.
I'd like to introduce you to TMI Project, a nonprofit near and dear to my heart, that uses writing and true storytelling for social justice movement building, to ignite human connection and as a healing modality for personal transformation. I have gone through the workshop as a participant and became a trained facilitator of their methodology. I recently sat down with Eva Tenuto, the co-founder and executive director of TMI Project, to talk about how storytelling can enhance connection and resilience during times of social isolation.
Juliane Taylor Shore, LPC, LMFT, SEP (AKA Jules) joins me to discuss the impact of being quarantined at home, experiencing isolation, fear and grief — how these experiences work in tandem with our implicit memory systems —what the effect it all has on our relationships is and what we can do to build resilience.
Dr. Shideh Lennon, a clinical psychologist and Somatic Experiencing practitioner, joins us to discuss how to embody resilience during the current COVID-19 pandemic. We talk about simple practices that we can all use to bring ourselves back into our bodies. We’re still going to feel it all, but these tools may help increase our capacity by being our biggest best selves, so that we may bear and be with all that's arising.
Dr. Rebecca Jorgensen joins me to discuss how to avoid common pitfalls and achieve more secure relationships. We talk about how our need to connect is locked in a dance with our insecurities. How our defensive, protective strategies are activated when we feel insecure. Our guard goes up, we go behind a wall, or get critical of others and push them behind a wall. Blocking ourselves from having what we need the most, secure connection. And this is why we need to cultivate safe sacred space to deepen our awareness around how these adaptations to our insecurities inadvertently increase our pain and loneliness rather than cultivate security.
In this episode, one of my teachers, Jan Bergstrom, LMHC explains how the Self exists in relation to our own perceptions, our own thoughts, our own experiences, and our own souls. Jan is an expert in field of codependency, developmental and relational trauma in the lineage of Pia Mellody, a pioneer in treating childhood trauma.
I'm talking with Dr. Sonya Lott, a licensed psychologist in private practice with a specialization in complicated grief, and the host of the Reflections on Multicultural Competence podcast. She's on a mission to transform the narratives created about ourselves and others through the socialization process and our experiences with power, privilege, and marginalization based on our many intersecting cultural identities.
In part 2 of Unraveling The Survival Knot with Hedy Schleifer we’re diving even deeper into the process of being a host/visitor and opening ourselves to each others deepest truths, to our own deepest truths, on a level where we may not have exposed ourselves to that in the past. If you haven’t already tuned into part 1 of this series, we recommend you begin there.
Hedy Schleifer guides, counsels and teaches couples, partners, business associates, therapists and families about relational maturity. Hedy is the founder of the Encounter-centered Couples Transformation approach (EcCT), an integrative and interdisciplinary model that lies at the intersection of philosophy, clinical theory, organizational methodology, and relational neurobiology and memory reconsolidation.
In this month's episode I'm joined by Maya Luna, a Feminine Mystic and a Poet exploring the Tantric Path and Feminine Embodiment. We muse about our collective hunger for deep acceptance of who we really are. Our fear of letting go, of surrendering, and of softening into the moment. The deep feminine is the soulful nourishment of being we are craving. All our doing is an attempt to experience fulfillment. And the truth is that the feeling of fulfillment and satisfaction is available unconditionally in every moment no matter what.
Resmaa Menakem, healer, author, and trauma specialist, says that to address white-body supremacy we need to work with race or culture to cultivate a somatic abolitionist mindset or community. And part of that is gaining some reps to know what to pay attention to, some reps with each other’s nervous system so we can create a culture that knows what to pay attention to. Otherwise it’s just strategy.
In this episode, we’re contemplating how caring is what makes us fundamentally human and how we’re connected by suffering. I’m joined by John Eric Baugher, a scholar, writer and teacher exploring the transformative possibilities of contemplative end of life care. His book, Contemplative Caregiving offers encouragement to show up in the fullness of life.
In this episode we’re dispelling the myth that you can't and reframing HOW TO prepare parents for parenthood. I'm joined by Elly Taylor and Barb Buckner Suárez for a roundtable discussion around teaching parents skills to help them cycle through each transitional stage of life to come, impacting the legacy of future generations.
Recently, I sat down with Mark Wolynn and dove into the topic of inherited family trauma and the science behind epigenetics. Mark shares where our fears and stress triggers come from and what we can do about breaking the pattern for ourselves and loved ones.
This conversation with Dr. Stan Tatkin dives into the question everyone wants to know "why are relationships difficult?" and weaves between neuroscience, object relations, trauma and how to develop secure relationships
Internationally renowned sex and relationship therapist, Cyndi Darnell, invites us to come back to the body — where the wisdom is — in a conversation around sex, erotism and pleasure and transforming fears into freedom.
We’re talking with Mercedes Samudio about the ongoing struggle to sit with our own imperfections and managing the complexities of deepened awarenesses around parenting and to helping everyone feel validated and seen.
Dr. Stephen Snyder joined me to talk about keeping erotism simmering in long term relationships. Dr. Snyder shares how we can practice a-tuning ourselves to our long term partners through mindful moments of inspiration.
Susan Piver, a renowned Buddhist teacher, joins me to talk about how to survive the inevitable discomfort of relationships and how she discovered what she’s called the Four Noble Truths of Love.
Every month I invite a fabulous, big-thinking guest to join me to talk about what it means to be human together. We’ll have deep conversations about the big stuff –– life, love, and legacy –– and how you can foster connection for yourself.
For this final episode of the season, I talk to Julie Lythcott-Haims, who is asking the question “what does it mean to grow up?” For her, it’s about lovingly letting go of your past burdens so that you can be true to yourself – while not trampling on anybody else. Our conversation flows naturally from topic to topic as we learn about how learning mindfulness took her from being a lawyer and dean of a university to becoming a New York Times bestselling author, speaker, and activist focused on helping humans find their true north. Later, we bring these themes into a discussion of inclusion, identity, and intergenerational healing. Julie shares about growing up as a Black and biracial person with a white mother, healing her past to be the parent she wants to be, and widening her scope to community engagement after isolation during COVID 19.